My background is nowhere near close to any qualifications for this. What did Ron Logan have to say about the BG photo? At the very least he could have made misleading statements. There was a helicopter/drone photoset going around in a FB group in the last few days (don't remember which group). The suspected pedophile - who is heavy-set and pasty-faced - used an image of a ripped and muscular young man to trick underage girls into speaking to him. He thinks it is Garrett Kirts. There is no way he would come back later to stage anything because he wouldnt know how safe it was or how many law enforcement would be around. In a blown-up pic of him, you can clearly see that it has the shape of handcuffs. I find it notable that not much has been said about the danger to others, I think it has been said that it could not be excluded, but I have not seen any emphatic warnings. In the first four years, two LE officers only affirmed one rumor each. The rumor that there was a spent cartridge at the scene is therefore confirmed. We believe Mr. X stayed with the truck all that time in order to watch it. I cannot remember which girl had taken the photo of the man on the bridge with her cell phone, but I had read somewhere that on that cell phone there was audio of her saying something about a weird man approaching them and that is why she took the photo. There is evidence that may have worked at a Tyson packing plant in Logansport in 2011-2012. Thats not very many. Shameful. Do you think an LE source might be talking to one of them or perhaps someone who knows one of them? Neither one can possibly be BG. Unlike any other sleuthers, we have determined the main suspects in the case, have a good idea of what happened during the crime and what the crime scene looked like, and have recently figured out the motive. The family knew something was wrong. The point is that that Mr. Holder had nothing to do with this crime. So, yes, although the Evansdale girls were mere skeletons when found, LE believes they were posed. Delphi eighth-graders Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, were killed on Feb. 13, 2017 while walking on a local hiking trail. Hes connected to a local sex offender in the area (a friend, or family membercousin?). Article: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15568704. If so, wouldnt the coroner be able to obtain DNA from the fetus? The bodies had been staged and the killing would likely have caused the killer to get . You had mentioned in one of your blogs not being sure what he did for a living. In these cases, we have 4-5 separate sources, usually vaguely referred to as inside sources, testifying to the truth of something. Twice they were wrong. But that would mean that Becky Patty would have to say that she called the wife. Thats because he was competition. No one knows if Mr. X is guilty or not. Education history: Primary and junior high unknown. But it's just speculation at this point, because nothing has been confirmed. Wow, this is some incredible news. If it is not a serial killer, it can be too confrontational.Still, you never know and for sure a creepy idea. You said in your blog that Mr. X was friends with Ron Logan. and that he was likely familiar with the Monon High Bridge. These photos were posted years ago by Robert Lindsey. Old Abigail Abby Williams. Despite mention of a gun, it's not clear if Abby or Libby died from gunshot wounds. Have you wrote about what the investigators talked to RL about? I have an official case document here in my hand. Im nothing at all like how they describe me. Something to think about. To be fair, two other men were also searching Rons land that night and they didnt find anything either, so it looks like those girls were pretty hard to miss. Thats a GoPro on BGs waist and he filmed his crime. They were town volunteers, right? The Delphi hiking murders - Abigail Williams and Liberty German Also, there is debate, but if you look at the scanner recording of the day when the bodies were found, the local PD says "keep them away" in response to a statement re: bystanders + FBI; resulting in debate about whether local pd was trying to keep FBI away and why. Required fields are marked *. Does he say where he thinks they were found, if not 50ft from the water? 17:50 GMT 31 Oct 2022. He does not work there at the moment. Fact that the FBI was instantly involved would be because they have the expertise to "read" such a crime scene. Occupation: Handicrafter making wooden signs. This will dispel some rumors. The profile was used from 2016 to 2017 on platforms including Snapchat and Instagram and used photos of a known male model, portraying him as being extremely wealthy and owning numerous sports cars. Now, that does NOT necessarily indicate staging. Furthermore, homicide is the most serious thing you can charge anyone with. Reminiscent of a small hatchet, not a typical knife. It turns out that BGs shoes are dead perfect matches for Indiana Packers workboots. Allen's wife confirmed to police that he owns a blue Carhartt jacket, the document said. Obviously, quickly taken down, etc etc. However, it is still not clear that Mr. X did this on his own or if someone helped him. Professor at a local university, known for the Geocaching Theory. Back to the POI, in February 2017, he lived next door to the cemetery which makes his actions and ruse around his truck & keys even more suspicious, if that is possible. Kirts knew those backwoods just as good & probably better than Logan didI dunno man, the motive is dead on too (his beast of a girlfriend Garth getting locked up & losing custody of her son because of Libertys dad snitching for jail time easingI first thought this was a serial crimeNow, after looking at a lot more of the detail (& coming in to this in December 21, with most of the pertinent activity already have taken place), Id say chances of it being serial are probably less than 1%. He can be heard saying, "Guys, down the hill," in the short video and investigators created two composite sketches based on this evidence. They were folded on her chest. They simply dont have enough on him to get a conviction is all. We believe he did this because there may have been incriminating evidence in there. In the more than three years since the girls' tragic murders, very little evidence has been released about the case including the cause of death. But answer me this. Im not saying anymore in an attempt to protect LEs directive. It is certainly an interesting question, is it not? Would be interesting to know if Garett Kirts was on Ron Logans property that day. The warrant, filed by an FBI agent investigating the murders back in 2017, was to carry out a search on the home of Ronald Logan. The main suspect is brazen, openly admits to being a pedophile, goes to the victims graves and leaves flowers, and visits the victims families to offer solace for their losses. See the sort of games these guys play? San Francisco's ultra-luxurious Four Seasons Residences sells just 13 of its 146 apartments, as street crime and drug abuse are blamed for deterring prospective buyers including Steph and Ayesha Curry, Top female cop is SUSPENDED without pay for 120 days by New Orleans' Police Department after she was 'caught filing timesheets while doing private security work'. Isnt that logical. Hes laughing b/c theyve been focused upon a completely wrong direction. It was all over by 3:30. Then again, what if it wasnt? There are many cases of homicides or attempted homicides in the same category. But we know that binoculars were used in this crime because we have search warrants and binoculars are one of the things that are listed on the search warrants. Also we dont know what they interrogated Ron about either. I am thinking of reasons why the FBI was immediately involved and now the focus is not on a possible interstate killer. Pregnancies are also risky for 13 and 14 year old girls. "You have this unspent shell casing near the victims' bodies, but you also have things that are really troubling to me: [The girls] are in one place and their clothes are in another. You want me to put it up? He was like a manager there or something, in Delphi!!! Do you feel that the KAK (Anthony_shots) announcement is a red herring or that its linked to the Delphi murders? We all go through shit in our lives, but if she wants to stop making enemies, she can stop picking fights. For whatever reason, she confuses facts all the time and cant keep her stories straight. Mr Kline allegedly told investigators he would use social media accounts to talk to underage girls and had exchanged messages with and received about 100 sexual photos and about 20 sexually explicit videos from around 15 underage girls. Some insist that this is merely a coincidence, but apparently LE do not think it is coincidental. As if her murder itself wasn't mysterious enough, the case would see twists, turns, and dead ends along with mysteries within the mystery. This seems to be one of the motives for the homicide. Start your Independent Premium subscription today. A timeline establishing publicly known. Not because theres any evidence that they were lookouts, but more because everyone in that situation at the time of the murders is being looked at that way. However, there was one little problem. The Delphi murders are a bizarre crime that has sparked nationwide attention. The authorities have been purposeful in not disclosing much information about the Delphi Murders. Join the best Delphi sleuthing group of all! Closeup of the 'fanny pack'. Could be to cover their own asses. Indiana State Police and the. (WISH) Investigators believe the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German were "moved and staged" at the Delphi murder scene, according to court documents obtained by I-Team 8. Amazing work! Some of this confusion is probably natural, since the the whole B family has gone underground. Thank you for all the work on the Delphi case. Someone tries to fire the gun but it's a faulty bullet and it doesn't fire, or 2.) I do not feel that this has anything to do with anything. Liberty "Libby" German, 14 years old, and 13-year-old Abigail "Abby" Williams were both perfectly normal and sweet teenage girls. The LE source below is an LE sources close to the Delphi Murders investigation. 4-lane highway. Similar murder conditions. Want to bookmark your favourite articles and stories to read or reference later? Hes a local executive of a government function or perhaps better yet a nonprofit of some sort. Yes, a lot of our very early information turned out wrong, but now that we have studied the case much more clearly, our view of the case is getting a lot more accurate as we are able to rule in or out various rumors and hypotheses. And although hes no no saint, I dont think he has it in him to commit a crime like this. where Liberty German and Abigail Williams were seen before they were reported missing by their families on Feb. 13, 2017. The search warrant list a number of items that LE is looking for. Theres something different about this casing, it stood out to me. A large amount of blood was lost by the victims at the crime scene, an agent wrote in the warrant. We dont just look at the Delphi case here. In particular, user/tobor is excellent. And he has an accomplice, a much younger man. No Im just a mechanic in Boston Mass. Stop. He stopped for gas and cigarettes. Mr. X has is not even at the Person of Interest stage in this case. These people are from all over the country and have expertise in all sorts of different areas. There was some sort of a large object, apparently of toy, at the crime scene that was too large for BG to have had it with him on the bridge. To say these girls had things shoved in them without proof is horrible for their parents. A 50-year-old suspect, identified as Richard Allen, has been arrested at the Carroll County Jail in connection with the murders of Abigail Williams and Libby German, whose bodies were found near the Delphi Historic Trail shortly after being reported missing in February . I saw this being explained in some YT comments to a bunch of brainlets. There is a press conference on Monday at 10 a.m. We will say more. Garrett Kirts: Local man, all around run of the mill bad person. Photo Page - Delphi Homicides - Truth Tellers Yes, they did record audio of themselves torturing those girls. It says they are looking for photos, videos, cameras, videocameras, film, etc. Its as if she took the grief of a whole town under her breast and pledged to suffer for them all, Jesus-like. LE blew off their concerns and called off the search, citing safety concerns for the searchers but seemingly had little of the same concerns for the missing teens who could have been severely hurt and unable to help themselves, just waiting for someone in LE to find them that night. We dont know if or when he worked for them before or after. Why would the police lie about where they found them tho that doesnt make sense. BA, Journalism, Cal State University Long Beach, 1981. There is also no indication as to who took the snap on the Monon High Bridge Trail. Q&A with Tara and Becky. This claims are quite dubious and we dont suggest anyone put any weight into them. Oh one more thing. FSG is at the trails every day. Could be something more nefarious. How many journalists do you know who actually went to J-school and have J-degrees? And my ban appeal didnt work either. The Delphi Murders: Four years later Libby & Abby's killer is still out there. Ok he has committed some sort of sex crimes or other or weird crimes like peeping and whatnot. This was posted within a Facebook group and the poster stated that it was fine to share with other groups. R/LibbyandAbby does allow rumors and speculations, so at least they get some good posts and posters, while the overall mood is still a downer.